Creative Questions: Episode 9

Episode Transcript

Desiree: Welcome to creative questions. The podcast where we attempt to review various creative. projects we ourselves. are part of and, or other people’s unique creations in an attempt to celebrate the creative inspiration in all of us. I am desiree silver, your host and owner of new Nerd Novelties, and # own your weird lifestyle brand.

Liam: and I’m your co-host Liam Hewlett back at it again, this time with a very special guest, the whirlwind decorator that we like to call mom.

Suzanne: Hello everyone. My name is Suzanne Hewlett. Then of course I am the mum.

Desiree: Very extra special guests. So we can say, you know, extra, extra special, better than dad.

Suzanne: Oh boy.

Liam: Oh, he’s going to hear that. And we’re going to have to have him back on.

Desiree: That’s right. I didn’t do that on purpose. Yes, I did.

Liam: So how are you guys doing? We’ve tried this, this is our second attempt at recording an episode with mom. So hopefully this one sticks but, besides that, how are you guys?

Desiree: I’m excited. All of the thrive stuff that I wanted to do before my account expired for my personal business has been done. I got an email today from the guys that are helping me do the incorporation paperwork. And I got my name, my New Nerd Novelties incorporated is official.

Liam: There you go. Nice.

Desiree: So now that I’ve got the name yeah, it’s like a two click process. and I just submitted my incorporation paperwork.

Liam: Yeah, I think you showed me a picture too. Were those your business cards that arrived?

Desiree: Yeah. One of the sets of my business cards just showed up today, which was kind of cool because they said they’d take a lot longer. So I’ve got one set. I’ve got the New Nerd Novelties set. I’m pretty happy with that. And I got some deliveries of fabric of stuff that I’m working on for people for Christmas. So for once I’m going to have all my presents, no doubt done before or for Christmas, but I won’t get to see everybody until probably after Christmas, but it never turns out that way

Liam: The older I get the lazier I get with shopping.

Desiree: I sent you Amazon list. So you can even ship it directly to us if we can’t see each other.

Liam: That’s the best kind.

Desiree: Yeah. Yeah. Amazon

Liam: How about you Mom? How you’ve been doing over the last week or so?

Suzanne: Oh, well, I’m in full decorating Christmas mode right now.

Liam: Right. We’re transitioning from fully Halloween to fully Christmas.

Suzanne: Of course. And it takes every bucket that I have with Christmas in it, just to find the stand for the Christmas tree. That’s the only one I wanted, but I had to go through every box to get it today.

Desiree: Go for one more, one more box. So you don’t say it was in the last one you looked

Suanne: Yeah. That’s right. And I fluffed a tree and it’s sitting there resting until we can put the lights on, on Tuesday when I have another day off.

Desiree: It’s not so interesting for kitty with nothing on it. Right?

Suzanne: Yeah. Well she’s still well, because I’ve got it rotating, so it doesn’t touch the window. And she said she tried to grab the bottom branches out of it.

Liam: She also, it’s where she would normally have a place to look out the window. So she’s somewhat incensed. She’s going crazy today running all over the house.

So we wanted to bring you on here, mom, to talk about your decorating. Not just Christmas. Christmas was certainly a big deal and still is a big deal in our house growing up, but Halloween has more become your holiday. And it’s certainly the one that you work the most projects for nowadays. And it’s what you’re known for in your community of friends, for your big Halloween party.

And we’re transitioning, we’ve transitioned now in the middle of it into Christmas, but I’ve got a bunch of pictures that you took of your Halloween decorations and it really just kind of scratches the surface of what you actually put out for every Halloween, let alone the stuff that you make for every Halloween.

But I’d like to go over it a little bit of what exactly it is that you enjoy about decorating and how you got into it and stuff like that. That’s why we brought you on here.

Suzanne: I, well I, I enjoy the process of decorating, of course, and the outcome, it’s a lot of work to start with, but, it’s all in the planning and preparation, right? When I want to, first of all, we always get together for Halloween and then we have to decide what theme we’re going to have for the next year.

Cause we like to have a theme every year. And well this year we decided on movie monsters and villains. So I had to make a prop. I want to make a big prop, which I started about four years ago, just so I can really develop my creativity because I have, I’ve just been working, sleeping and eating. It’s just not what I like to do.

So this year I wanted to make something big to put in the front yard. I want it to be quite massive. So this year I built, we figured it was about, I don’t know, eight feet long and eight feet wide, a big spider, definitely a villain. I mean, Lord of the Rings, you have to use one of those. They had a great time with it.

So I figured, well, let’s build this, but I want to recycle too. I didn’t want to have to go out because in the summertime, when I started this project, it was late fall actually. The prices of lumber raised so high, I said, this is ridiculous. Dad has lots of scraps of wood in his shop. I just decided we’re going to build it with the scraps I have and to make the big body as well.

I’m not going to, I want to be able to carry it myself too, to put it on the ground And not have to have two people. So I want it to be as light as possible. So I recycled a lot of, I recycle at work a lot. I take home a lot of styrofoam, like big pieces of styrofoam. That are just used for stuffing and

Liam: And cardboard displays sometimes as well.

Suzanne: Cardboard as well. And I decided I, I had built a display for my summer program, where I had the, the dress form with the roses and stuff, with the hula hoops around her to make it look like a dress for the summertime. I wanted to reuse those. So that’s where I used to make her body bigger, but it was more empty than anything else, but I was able to, to design it.

So it was light enough that I could carry it with Hulu loops, styrofoam, PVC, of course, for the legs. Cause it needs to be big enough. So it looks gigantic

Liam: Yeah. and sturdy enough to not fall apart.

Suzanne: Exactly two pieces, like there’s three pieces to it. Right. But they all had to be devs showed me how to I’d use a proper glue and how, what type of screws to use to reinforce it before I built it.

Right. So that helped a lot Dad is great for giving me ideas. And the proper tools to use for it. And I saran wrapped it basically after I built it and to make sure it was waterproof. And I ended up with the legs, the legs worked out really well, and I made sure that I could stick the legs into the ground.

So it wouldn’t move. Cause we have such a bad wind here in Kamloops that

Liam: Especially If it was going to be light enough for you to be able to pick it up yourself, it would blow away.

Suzanne: Exactly, it would end up down the street somewhere. But, I built a hole underneath that as well, so I could put a tie rod in it, so it couldn’t go anywhere. Cause it’s, it’s a bit of a slant in the front yard, so I didn’t want it to slide down either. So that was another thing I did. And then to make it look really ugly.

Cause it looked when I first started, I bought this throw thing that looked like a carpet, but I didn’t like it. It looked too smooth. So I decided I had a few. I have I’ve you guys know? Of course I have a lot of wigs. I changed my hair color all the time when I want to, but I had these red and black wigs I’ve never used before because they were really cheap.

I said, well, I’ll sacrifice these for the, for the project. And that’s what I did. A three of my, black and red, bright red wigs. I took them all apart and I, and I use a spray adhesive, which was fantastic. I got to use that again and made it look all gnarly and stuff. So on top of that, that throw rug thing that I had, and then built the eyes on a ping pong balls.

And I want her to have a lot of eyes and two bigger eyes. And I couldn’t find those Christmas balls that you can buy at Christmas time that are clear and you can take them apart. That would have been perfect. No, I had to find something else. I’ll look like two big eye balls. So I had found some type of Lego toy that I’m going to eventually give to one of her grand nephews and give him the parts.

But Yeah, and I painted them red and added all kinds of and painted the legs brown and she turned out pretty good. I was quite pleased with her,

my first attempt

Liam: Looking at the pictures here. It’s amazing how much texture you got out have just three wigs. Like it’s a complete night and day difference. Looking from like the throw to, with the hair on it. You also added in a bunch of additional hair on her joints for the legs to give her that feel

Suzanne: I some fur to her. So I had some fur that I use for, cause I built gnomes last year to give to my friends for their Christmas presents and I had all this extra materials as well. That would be perfect. It just covers the hinges or the elbows and just worked out really well.

Desiree: Did we say yet her name was Scarlet and that’s because she’s red.

Suzanne: Oh, that’s right. Yes. We named her Scarlet. But the, you know, what was more, distinctive in the front yard? People wouldn’t have seen her unless I didn’t. Cause I bought that beef netting that made a big difference. Cause everybody, as soon as they came around the corner, they seen The beef netting right away and all the holes and stuff.

And then they saw the spider, you know? So you have people stopping at to look at it, even taking pictures of it because it was so massive.

Liam: Beef netting has what you use to create the amazing spider web.

Suanne: Yeah, exactly.

Liam: Yeah. It’s, it’s quite astounding. Just how much that looks like a spider web, like from a video game or an MMO, like I’ve seen worse rendered, spiderwebs in a very textured, triple A game. It’s a really good effect.

And it was also quite sturdy too, which is quite a consideration for our weather up here.

Suzanne: Oh, exactly. The wind didn’t knock it down. I mean, all I did was anchor it down or take some screws to the wood that’s beside it there and anchored it that way. And it stayed where I put it. It was easiest thing to work with and if it doesn’t fall apart, it just, you could put holes in it. Like I did to make it look more like spider webs and

Liam: We’re definitely going to be using that stuff again future.

Desiree: Yeah, apparently it’s, it’s used, it’s called beef netting it’s used for meat.

Suzanne: It is, you have to cover meat when you’re, when you’re smoking and that.

Desiree: Pretty cool.

Suzanne: What, what else I bought was a, I wanted to have some led lights, like a floodlight, and I bought two of those on Amazon and it can, I change different colors to see what she would look like, but because she’s red, the red effect on the two floodlights was much better with the red.

So as she stood out.

Liam: And that’s where the like, cause we’ve, we’ve given away Scarlet, we don’t have the place for like the storage room for an eight foot by eight foot spider when it’s not Halloween. So she has found a new home in another haunters massive collection. But we are now going forward going to use that spider webbing, that beef netting that’s cause you put up spiderwebs for your Halloween display all the time and that’s, there’s no better effect than this stuff.

Suzanne: All, but the beef netting went with Scarlet.

Liam: Yeah. Well, we can get more.

Suzanne: Yes, we can get more. Definitely. I love working with that. It’s excellent for, for all kinds of effects, I think. Yeah. And the year before last year for Halloween, we were doing pirate theme and that’s was my first attempt at making a Canon so I can feed my fog machine through it.

So I can actually have a working Canon in the front yard. And I built the, the front of a ship in the back as well in the, in the backyard. So a lot of people would spend time outside in the fire pit as well. So we had lots of decorations

Liam: Made our patio looked like a dock.

Suzanne: That’s correct. Yeah, I made a dock part of it. Uh, the doc. I forgot about that. Yeah.

Desiree: Yeah, I liked that it was nice to have the texture of it under your feet. And it just brought you more into the experience.

Suzanne: I know. And I tried my hand at fake barnacles. That was kind of funny.

Liam: Yep. That was with the milk cartons and drywall mud.

Suzanne: Yeah. Dry wall mud what else did i use? Oh, I expanding foam and Cheerios

Liam: Right.

Suzanne: Lots of paint. And I bought a lot of rope just so I could build, make it look like a dock. Right. So, yah. my dock has gone too. We did clean the backyard, so I had to get rid of some stuff, but the guys were quite amazed at how tough it was for them to take it apart.

Desiree: Ha

Suzanne: They couldn’t take my dock apart. This is, wow. This is really solid. I says, yeah, I built it.

Liam: What, What do you think got you started with making these larger projects? Because it wasn’t originally just for Halloween, right? We had many projects as kids that would be classified as like these major builds for the holidays. Some of which kept we still keep today, but have kept with us over the years.

Suzanne: Yeah, definitely. Before in the Burnaby house, when dad and I started building your Christmas. presents. And when we didn’t have much money and we wanted to build things actually, we started building a lot of things in plywood and painted and like we would design it, I would design it Dad would cut it out in the plywood and we ended up painting it.

We still have the double-headed snow goons and Calvin and Hobbes in the front yard right now that we built over 20 years ago. So they’re still with us. I had the part with Opus and Bill the cat because he was getting kind of weathered and the three ducks of that, that we had for the for the Stooges.

But yeah, and that’s basically, that’s when we started building bigger things and a huge, beautiful star that, Dad built in Burnaby that we had right up against them, you know, the front yard. And I do remember that

it was just beautiful.

Liam: Yeah, it was at the steeple of our house and it was filled with the light strings. So we would definitely, every time we pulled it out for the year, have to turn it on and replace 15 different bulbs in it before we put it up. Cause once it got up, it’d be difficult.

Suzanne: For sure. But yeah, I mean, we think that’s when we started building things out of wood and using our painting skills, I mean, rudimentary as they were at the time, they were developed, a bit over time. I mean, I used to decorate my windows and stuff when I was in high school and my house in Ladner.

Just with the basic little paint trays that we used to get as kids and that’s, I think that’s how I started. I knew I liked coloring. I liked, using paints and I did, and I know my grandfather had a great influence on me because. He was quite a creative person and he worked with wood a lot too.

And he loved to draw. I never thought I could draw like him. Forget it. I’m more of an abstract artist myself, so yeah.

Liam: The majority of our family. We’re all jealous of people that can draw.

Suzanne: That’s true.

Desiree: Yeah. Yeah. I can do stuff by manipulation or recreation, but never yeah. From scratch when it comes to drawing and such for sure.

Suzanne: Yeah,

Liam: Though. The stuff that you did on the windows, cause you had done that stuff during your high school years, you also made a tradition of doing that in our Burnaby house. When you ran a daycare for something like 12 years.

Suzanne: That’s right. Yeah.

Liam: Our Burnaby house had massive windows that covered the majority of the living room.

There were four gigantic window panes across two walls in our Burnaby house. And every month those windows would get repainted with whatever the theme was for that month. Cause that’s something that you did while you were running that daycare is every month, you would completely redecorate the house for whatever the theme was of that month.

Most of the time it would be the holiday for that month. But some days, some months when there were no holidays, you would pick a theme that really resonated with the kids, whether it be dinosaurs or solar system, planets, stuff like that. Just to add more flavor to the house. And it definitely made it stand out like in the neighborhood.

You could see it. We never had any blinds. So you could always see the painted windows of the daycare.

Suzanne: That’s true. Yeah. The kids enjoyed those. I mean, they liked that dinosaur drawings.

Liam: Well, and even the minor holiday has got their time in the sun that way. Cause there were some months where St. Patrick’s day is just the biggest holiday this month. And that would be the theme for the whole house,

Suzanne: That’s right. Lots of green stuff. Green food.

Desiree: Yeah, she, she did the green eggs and ham. equivalent. That was kind of gross.

Liam: Green Play-Doh you made your own Play-Doh.

Suzanne: That’s right. I did. I made my own Play-Doh

Desiree: It’s the type you can eat it, but it’s not healthy because it’s mostly made out of salt.

Liam: It doesn’t taste good. It’s very salty yah.

Suzanne: That’s true. Yeah.

Desiree: But every month they get a more Play-Doh too.

Suzanne: Oh yeah. Well, I took, there’s a lot of little germs there. Right. So you’ve got to clean make the brand new Play-Doh every month or every second week, it ended up on the floor and whatever. Yeah.

Liam: That was a good way to advance your decorating expertise though, as to what exactly led you to do that? Like, what was it that made you want to redecorate literally every single month of the year?

Suzanne: Oh, I just found it a lot of fun. I mean, the kids enjoyed it and, I absolutely enjoy, especially at Christmas when we had the train running around underneath the Christmas tree and, and, we couldn’t have a real tree at the time cause we had, we had kids and stuff, so, and yah.

Liam: And we had special guards made. So the kids couldn’t reach into the tree.

Suzanne: Yeah, exactly.

Liam: The chicken wire guards

Suzanne: Actually, no, actually the guard was made by one of my parents. That was Brigette and Lewis’s dad that built me that.

Liam: Right. That was the, that was the second one that had the chicken wire Dad made on out of cloth.

Suzanne: So the kids could see it. I could turn it on for them because the, train would be there. They always, as soon as they come in the house, they’d want to say, oh, I want to see the train again.

You know, they loved it. They did. I think that the theme every month, it’s just giving me something to do as well and be more creative with the kids. Cause I like to do crafts for them every day. So it’s not just dropping your kid off and not doing anything. No, we’re, we’re very active. We play outside a lot.

I want him to learn something and take something home. They always love taking something home that they made. That was the big deal.

Liam: Yeah. There was a craft every day that you had.

Suzanne: That’s right. We had craft time every day.

Liam: And some of those would wind up as a part of the decorations if they didn’t wind up going home with the family will. And also I would participate sometimes depending on cause I was there. When you started the daycare, I think I was four or five.

Suzanne:Yup. You were homeschooled. So you were home a lot with the kids.

Liam: Yep. I spent a lot of time with seven kids under five in the house.

Desiree: Yeah. This may have something to do with us, not wanting kids now.

Liam: I have always liked. I’ve always liked kids. It’s definitely the biggest contributing factor. The fact that I can sleep through a herd of elephants though.

Suzanne: That’s true. Yeah.

Desiree: Yes, me too. The thunder and lightning means nothing.

Yeah.

Liam: Especially cause you lived downstairs. Yeah. That would have been just kids running all

Desiree: There was kids literally running over top of my head all the time.

Liam: Yeah.

Desiree: That no, no, I’m not saying we don’t like kids. My mom and my brother. I swear. They smell like ginger bread or something because mom can find a kid and La Senza. This is underwear store. Where did you find a child?

Suzanne: I didn’t, they don’t, I don’t look for them. They come to me.

Liam: Yeah. They find her.

Desiree: Exactly.

Liam: And usually they’ll comment on her, uh,like cool hair or outfit or something like that.

Desiree: Yeah.
And then Liam, because yeah, you grew up in the daycare. The kids would use him as an oversized jungle gym. You’d just lie in the middle of the living room and they jump and bounce off of him. Like he was some sort of jungle gym. It was really funny.

Suzanne: My favorite picture of Liam is Liam and Louis and they were listening to music and Louis had one ear phone and Liam had the other ear phone in her sitting on the floor and it was so beautiful.

Liam: Yeah, a Little a little four year old platinum blonde beach boy.

That’s probably graduated by now.

Suzanne: Oh, he’s probably a lawyer.

Desiree: And probably has his own kids. Yeah.

Suzanne: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Liam: We won’t think about that.

Desiree: Way to feel old. Right.

Suzanne: Now I know yah exactly.

Desiree: But my mom’s daycare is like a deluxe daycare. Not only is, did she do all these things that she was bilingual with french one of the only French ones in all of Burnaby.

Liam: It was two in Burnaby and she was the largest one.

Suzanne: While I was the only Francophone daycare in Burnaby. Yes. and I had a waiting list. That’s how, how demanding it was for, for the French, for Francophone to daycare, to find. Cause it’s hard to find.

Desiree: And mom even had like artistic inspiration on her side. And like she had a sign for the daycare, Raton Laveur family daycare, which means raccoon in French that dad made. And she painted and made out of wood.

Liam: Yep. was yeah. Made a cut out of plywood and painted by hand with our contact information on the bottom of it. Right on the front of the house.

Yeah. Yeah. I’d definitely say it. Those like 12 years of changing the decorations so often has certainly gotten you to the point of expert level. When I comes to stripping down a house and completely replacing everything that’s on the walls, in the stairwells, in the bathroom, all the towels, the cushions, the literally everything about the house gets turned upside down when we get to a new holiday.

Desiree: She used to do that on the weekends too, because she couldn’t have anything that was breakable out with the daycare kids. So sometimes she bring out the breakable stuff on the weekends. Man. When, when I think of how much work you put into like living with the daycare mom, like this is like, oh yeah, I brought my pretties out for the weekend and I’m like what?

Suzanne: Well, we’ll have to put them away by Monday.

Desiree: Yeah.

Suzanne: That’s okay. Yeah. That’s what it’s all about having little kids around,

Desiree: It’s breakable all over, but mom could still manage to figure out a way to have kids over.

Suzanne: Oh, sure. Yeah. And I, I kept some of my, my better toys, over the years. Cause I knew we, we would have children in this household sometimes when we have nieces and nephews that have little ones that come over and I have something for them to play with. I kept about four different things. Like my marble works and my wooden toys and my wooden puzzles and gave away the. it.

Liam: And I do have to recognize that you’ve made a considerable effort because for some time there, there was not an inch of decorations that would leave this house. And there was a time when we had basically the entire basement full of boxes of mostly decorations. There was some other stuff in there, like photo albums or old documents, but I’d say 80 to 90% of it was decorations of some kind or another.

So you’ve done a really good job of pairing it down to just the holidays. You really like are passionate about.

Suzanne: I’m trying, I’m trying

Liam: We I’ll recognize that you, and at that at the point we’re at now, Halloween and Christmas stuff has never gonna go away. So we just have to accept that it’s going to always take a certain amount of space in our house and only keep the, uh, the can’t keep the, the largest projects.

We can find new homes for those and give them away.

Suzanne: I do have a friend who will take my, my larger projects, which I’m happy about. I mean, I know

Desiree: And the amount the amount of people that ask about, you know, where you got that even if you didn’t have, or I’m sure we find it a good home.

Suzanne: Yeah. Well, a lot of things that I have I’ve collected over the years and like my friend come over. Oh, where did you get those lights?

Well, I got them from a thrift store and I don’t know how old they are, but why? Yeah. I collect things. I go to Value Village quite a bit and I collect things. I try not to buy too much more because I’m trying to downsize now. So keep what I have. And I’m quite happy with that.

There’s definitely a lot of, oh, where’d you find that? I have no idea.

Liam: There’s that.

Desiree: it’s, it’s the secondhand store, therefore,

Suzanne: Yeah. Or I made it right. And it says, oh, darn. I’m not going to be able to buy that anywhere. No, you’re not. It’s one of a kind.

Desiree: I probably can’t even make it for you either. Depending on what it’s made out of is this where I, this is where I get it too. Isn’t it? Because all the stuff that I like to make, I don’t like to make the same thing over and over again. So I’ll wind up making something just a little bit different than last time. So you’ll never get exactly the same thing

Liam: Oh, you definitely get that from dad as well,

Suzanne: Yeah. That’s for sure.

Right. Dad can’t cook the same thing twice. It’s just is not possible for him.

No, he alters it by not actually writing down what’s in it. So therefore he can only go by memory

kind of as a basis.

Liam: Right. But he’ll do that even with a pattern or a recipe. It’ll always be slightly different every time.

Suzanne: Think the only thing he makes to a T is my favorite barbecue sauce.

Desiree: Because it’s your favorite.

Suzanne: That’s right. Same with yours of the, the, uh, peanut satay sauce. So they makes for you. Yes. Yeah.

Desiree: Yeah. because if he deviates with mine, it might have a spice issue.

Suzanne: That’s right.

Liam: Well, and that’s something that we haven’t talked about before is how dad got into cooking and how that’s like one of his big passions now is that he

Suzanne: Absolutely. See he’s been doing fantastic. It’s not good for my waistline, but I like coming home to meal and I don’t have to cook it. I’m quite happy and everything is so delicious. Oh my gosh.

Desiree: And dad doesn’t really eat that much with his Chron’s. He D he doesn’t get hungry. So it’s kinda good because I know hopefully he’ll eat it. Maybe that’s what we’ll get them on here. Talking about his food.

Liam: Yeah. He doesn’t, uh, he doesn’t eat all that much, but he makes a lot and then he won’t eat it as leftovers. So there’s just like all this stuff that to eat,

Suzanne: So I just don’t eat that much. I’ll eat it too. Right.

Desiree: I’ll eat it. And so will Dori. I’d be quite happy if dad wants to cook.

Liam: Right There’ll be a fridge full of leftovers and dad willbe cooking a roast.

Suzanne: I told Dad tonight dad does this. Um, there’s a lot of a ham, you know, he built, he cooked a whole ham, you know, And I said, I’m quite happy with the ham. He says, Nope, I want pork chops and French fries. This is all fine. I guess we’ll be eating ham for the next three days. It’s good. I’m eating stew now for the third day because he made so much of it until I take it from my lunch at home.
I mean, at work. So I I

Desiree: Can’t complain when, when Dori and I get over there, I’ll I’ll start eating it.

So you’ll be okay.

Suzanne: Good. Somebody can be able to help. Oh my gosh.

Liam: Well, and mom historically was the baker.

Suzanne: I am the baker Dad’s been learning how to bake too. I mean, he’s taken over that, that part too.

Desiree: He makes pizza crust.

Suzanne: That’s right. And he tried his hand at biscuits too. He’s doing really well with baking.

Liam: He just doesn’t have sweet tooth that that’s my real weakness.

Suzanne: I mean, baking is very specific. You cannot alter the recipe. You’ll have to. Yeah, you have to follow the receipt exactly.

Liam: Yeah, Otherwise it doesn’t turn out the way you want it to.

Desiree: And he really, really hates when that happens. So my mom taught herself how to cook. So w w there’s a lot of in this family, like it doesn’t look like the picture, ah, run, like

Suzanne: Yes. My first attempt at pie crust is not very good. Like you can ask my sister, she would duck every time I said it does look like the picture it’s against a wall. Wham.

Liam: Hmm. And now you’re renowned for that pie crust.

Suzanne: I am. Yes, I am. I found the right recipe.

Desiree: Yeah. pie crust isn’t easy.

Suzanne: Just knowing the right recipe. the combination

Liam: I’ve been, more stringent with my diet, cause I know that the holidays are coming up and so I know that’s going be lackluster time for my discipline. So I’ll just have to accept it and accommodate for it beforehand. And after there’s, a lot of things that you make that I really look forward to, cause I’m definitely more of a sweet tooth kind of guy, uh, anything with sugar in it.

I just have a hard time not eating all of I can take or leave savory stuff, but if it’s sweet, I want all of it. And there’s just so many delicious things that you make and have made since we were kids that I just consume all of, if there’s any of it in the house.

Suzanne: Well, one for one would be your fudge that you love.

Liam: Oh yeah. Yeah. There’s so many different kinds of fudge that you do make though. I really like the mint chocolate fudge that you make.

Suzanne: Yeah. and it’s, it’s become a bit more challenging because you’re lactose intolerant. So I have to alter everything.

Liam: Yeah.

Desiree: Yeah. So she actually makes lactose free fudge

Liam: Lactose free nut-free fudge.

Suzanne: Absolutely. Yeah. I make lactose free everything. And when we have other friends that are milk intolerant, it’s has to be milk free. So I, I, adjusted the recipes. Like I’m making butter tarts for my girls for our cookie exchange and I have to make one milk free, which I made last year and she loved it. So that’s yeah.

So I just, it’s just, a matter of adjusting the recipe. It’s not a big deal.

Liam: Well, and sometimes you make treats for my D and D group and are in our D and D group. We’ve got two out of, five of us are like, actually three out of five of us are lactose intolerant. So everything, they, they know that if we put, if I put it in front of them, they can have it.

Suzanne: Exactly. And that’s the thing. I don’t want people coming to our house. So if someone is invited to my house and they haven’t told me about their allergies, I mean, how can I, I don’t want them to come here and they can’t eat. I I want to know ahead of time. If you’re coming to my house and your milk and tolerant, everything we serve is milk re reduced to no milk, there’s a way

Desiree: I think it’s funny.

This is the creativity between you and dad and Liam and I for cooking mostly came out of necessity in some ways, because you had to teach yourself to cook. You had to cook kind of for you if you wanted to eat because your mom didn’t know how to cook. Same with dad.

Suzanne: Exactly.

Desiree: But did, but didn’t and, uh, and then, so you’re on your own learning how to cook and then for Liam and I, it was mostly because you had so many allergies. I have so many allergies. Then my in laws have so many allergies and now it’s, it’s Liam too. And, and dad like what we can and can’t eat that we all just kind of, as a result, the creativity happens.

Suzanne: A real challenge to get us all together. I mean, lactose-intolerant wheat was that we didn’t corn for Stella ?

Desiree: Uh, corn and oats.

Suzanne: Corn and oats. and I’m I’m vegetables and fruit. So it was like, oh, wow.

Liam: Oh yeah. Nuts.

Suzanne: And Liam nuts as well.

Liam: So what can we all eat- meat?

Desiree: Meat.

Liam: Yeah.

Suzanne: Yeah.

Desiree: But some carbs.
Hey, we manage it. I make, I make a really good stuffing. That is okay for everybody. So I know, we manage.

Liam: Yeah, well, and if I’m left to my own devices as a minimalist, I just cut out stuff. Right. So what do I cook? Whatever I don’t react to, which like three to four things. And just say, all right, I got those three to four things. I’m good. But then mom and dad are much more around creating alternatives to that problem.

And they just keep making all of these, uh, delicious alternatives. I’m like, I’ve got the four things that will sustain me,nut got all this other stuff. That’s like not good for my waistline, as Mom would say.

Desiree: Tempt you tempt you. Mom even finds you lactose free chocolate Christmas.

Liam: Yeah. Lactose-free, western family lactose free chocolate mint, ice cream, which is awesome. I love

Desiree: Oh, you found it. That’s your, that’s your favorite? Good

Suzanne: Yeah. Yeah. It takes a while to find it, but I go to different stores and I look for it,

Liam: Yeah. Sometimes it winds up being made with almonds and as well, womp womp

Suzanne: I know I have to give it Stina. Oh, she can’t have it either unless it’s vegan.

Desiree: So were we going to talk about some of the pictures of the decorations mom had up? Cause we’ve got the Sam, she made too.

Suzanne: Oh

Liam: yeah. You also made the Sam.

Suzanne: Yeah. I want it, I really liked little Sam because I watched Trick or Treat quite a few times and I said, and I’ve been to Halloween spirit. And it was way too expensive. And I said, Well, then I can make my own, I mean, I already had a stand for a child’s size, costume that I built years and years ago for, the young girl that I built for the ring, the movie. And, I figured, well, I’ll just reuse that body, that the shape of it anyways. And then I, got some orange material that was kind of fluffy. That would look like a, like a onsie in the end because I, I cut it out. I, I designed it and then I made the little butt flap and I had burlap actually leftover from, making Oogie boogies costume for Liam that I made one year, I had lots of burlap left, built this head and I had a solar light outside, not solar light. It’s a usb globe.

Yeah. That, that is USB charged. And I use that as his head and just put the burlap over top of him with buttons and everything and made them look really dirty with his bag and Halloween treats. And I was quite pleased with it.

Desiree: Did you use Liam’s airbrush? You said, did. you get to use Liam’s airbrush?

Suzanne: Oh no, I didn’t use No, I spray painted it with black marks and it looked like he was really dirty.

Liam: My airbrush is a little bit too fine detail for that. It doesn’t really serve that purpose very well. You also a heat formed his plastic skeletal hand around his lollipop.

Suzanne: Yeah. I couldn’t, I couldn’t find small children’s hands, actual hands. So I had to, there was a salad tongs that they were selling at the loonie store that were skeletal and small enough to, to be used as a, as a small child’s hands. It’s not authentic because he actually had gloves on in the movie, but I use what I could, so I have a heat gun.

Of course. It’s one of my tools. And I used it to, to bend his knee, hand his fingers so that he could hold his lollipop because well, Desiree and I went shopping at, uh, at the store at the Halloween store and we found the lollipop. I wasn’t didn’t have to build it. We already had it. So I

Liam: Hey, it turned out really well

Desiree: Yeah

Suzanne: I thought so.

Desiree: He’s super cute. The characters actually, like I’m like a pumpkin head underneath the burlap and he’s gross cute.

Suzanne: Yeah. And I’m, I’m told I’m not allowed to sell them or give them away. so
Desiree wants them so.

Desiree: Yeah, he’s mine. Cause I love Sam.

Suzanne: Dad insisted, take them out of the living room, the kitchen, he says, yeah, he needs to move on. So I have to put up downstairs. Yeah. He’s looking at me.

Liam: Eh was in the garage for a long time and that’s where we have one of our fridges. Every time I go to that fridge to get something to drink, there’d be Sam staring at me in the dim light of the garage, but it’s okay. Cause he’s at like waist height, so it doesn’t feel as creepy to me. It’s not like those, uh, five foot tall that are definitely way creepier that we sell at home Depot.

Oh, they’re super creepy. It’s like this uncanny valley thing of they, they they’re uncomfortably humanoid.

Desiree: And I’m guessing you’ve had to stock those lately. Cause

Liam: At some, at some point I don’t work seasonal anymore, thankfully, but we still stock them for sure. I didn’t have to, I don’t work on the med team. I didn’t have to assemble that like nine or 12 foot tall skeleton we had this year that everybody wants.

Suzanne: It was sold out pretty fast again this year.

Liam: Across the country, both countries.

Suzanne: You couldn’t get it anywhere. Even online.

Liam: Sold out fast.

Desiree: I wonder if somebody did someone buy a fully assembled one, how they got it out.

Liam: They definitely took it apart.

Suzanne: Yeah, I think so. It was pretty big.

Liam: It wouldn’t have fit through the door. So not unless they had opened the load. Well, they could got through the lumber doors, but who’s going to put that thing into a truck.

Suzanne: Exactly. of prop that somebody, anybody can buy. That’s not what I want. Just like,

Liam: Yeah, it’s not personalized

Suzanne: Personal. And, uh, I don’t, what the hell would I do with it? I mean, where do I store it? You know, and that type of thing, it just doesn’t make any sense to me. I want something that I made and created and nobody else has

Liam: Yeah. Or something that you’ve received or was created by somebody else that, you know, right. Cause we’ve got that large pumpkin painting over top of the mantle in the living room. We’ve got a picture of it here. And that was painted by one of your friends from work with.

Suzanne: It was, yeah, he was working in the paint department. His name is Jack Excellent. He didn’t think it was that great an artist, but I think he is. And they were raffling it off. He just decided to paint something for Halloween on, on a piece of board. And it was not a fancy piece of board. He just decided, well, let’s paint something.

So he painted the pumpkins and I said, well, I ended up winning it because I bid the highest for it. Of course. And I’ve been putting it up every year because I respect his work is beautiful.

Liam: Yup. It took three days to find it this

Suzanne: Oh, don’t let me start on that. I still can’t find the stockings.

Desiree: I re bought you god damn stockings. Those ones get eaten by mice.

Suzanne: Dad Said the mice took them.

Liam: We lose things in this house especially immediately upon being put away.

Suzanne: Yeah. So that’s true. It is a big house you know

Liam: Right. And it’s got a lot of places to hide things, I suppose, especially when you figure that it’s going to be someplace that it’ll be safe and you’ll, won’t forget it.

That’s the easiest place to get lost.

Suzanne: That’s right. Correct.

Liam: We also have some pictures here though, of your Halloween town, which is one of your large collections for Halloween. And that’s definitely some of the, besides decorating, you do a lot of collecting, which we have limited down to collections within the realm of decoration. Thankfully. The raccoons are not going anywhere.

The raccoons will always be here to stay, but they are decorations.

Along with the multiple collections you have for Christmas and Halloween. One of the bigger ones that you’ve developed over time now has been your Halloween town, enough, so that it’s spread to multiple platforms across the house.

Suzanne: Yes.

Liam: So, so we’ve got pictures of that above our main stairwell.

We’ve had a platform put in so that you can fit your Halloween town above the stairwell.

Suzanne: Yes. Cause I needed a larger table to display. So dad figures figured that, if you put a platform over top of the stairs, cause it’s not doing anything there and it’s protected. I actually, I could build

Liam: From everything, but the cats.

Suzanne: Well, Catzilla over there. So I mean, we do the Halloween town and of course now I’m setting it up.

I’m going to be setting it up for the Christmas town because I’ve collected a lot of little houses and you guys have bought me in them over, over time, say with my Halloween houses, you’ve collected for my birthday and you’d be buying my Halloween towns in, in August when it’s my birthday, because October of course is coming up.

And, Yeah, so I’ve been collecting over the years. I mean, I have a Santa collection. I have a snowman collection that I’ve and my angel collection that you collected over the years. If I get two or three or four more of one item, the, all it started to be a collection. So. Raccoons while we won’t talk about that, but we have a lot of those,

Liam: Yeah, that’s just the reoccurring EV especially if you could find a raccoon in. Seasonal theme, even better. Halloween raccoon that’s top-notch top quality

Desiree: Mostly Christmas raccoons.

Cause we have a tradition with our tree that we buy mom, a new raccoon ornament every year. And, they are and aren’t easy to find. Considered Woodland creatures, sometimes you find them with Santa and whatever else, but sometimes

Suzanne: Mostly bears,

Desiree: Yeah. Bears and other animals, deer and stuff. yeah. I am. It’s my job.

I have to find that I have to find the new raccoon every year. In some years, I had to make them because you just go out and find it, but she’s got a raccoon on there for every year.

Suzanne: That’s right.

Liam: Yeah. for many years growing up. And that’s what started the tradition is I believe it was hallmark released a yeah. Hallmark released a raccoon ornament every year that had the year on it somewhere in the ornament. And so that’s why w if we do find a raccoon ornament, we really try to get the year on it so we can know, because we’re not going to remember five years down the line, what year that raccoon came from.

Suzanne: That’s right. And I don’t either. So, but I, I, really enjoy them though. I mean, our tree is very eclectic. It’s nothing. I don’t go with silver or gold. I just go with what you guys built me when you were little kids and what you collected, what your passions were at the time. I mean, why would you have a Chewbacca on the tree? Right? Well, we were into star wars for awhile.

Desiree: I’m still into star wars. That’s me.

Suzanne: Exactly, I, me too, but we have all kinds of things on there. Little angels that you made out of, of pasta and Liam’s little dog treat dog cookie thing that he made into a reindeer when he was little in school.

Liam: Kindergarten. Yeah.

Suzanne: Absolutely. Yeah. So it has a lot of memories and it has your small pictures in your silver little ornaments and yeah, that tree means

Liam: For it’s a recurring theme for most of your decorations. Most of your decorations have some sort of memory attached to them. Some of them are just like cool finds, right. From when you’re out Splunking around the town. But especially when it comes to the tree, everything has some sort of memory, even if we can’t remember them all off the top of our head.

Suzanne: Now. Yeah. I have my little witch in there and my spiders, I mean a little bit of Halloween inside the Christmas theme and uh,

Desiree: the raccoon I bought mom last year was a trash, trash bag raccoon.

Suzanne: Trash Panda.

Desiree: It’s in a it’s in a trash can and it’s from Toronto.

Cause apparently Toronto has hyper smart raccoons that can get into their trash.

Liam: Yeah. They have a big raccoon problem there. Apparently, which

Desiree: You know, like the 2020 seemed like, you know, trash Panda in a dumpster sounded. Right. I’ll always remember that one.

Suzanne: Yeah. Well, we don’t have any raccoons here at all. I haven’t. I imagined when one time when we first moved out here and Dad says I was imagining things because they don’t have raccoons

Desiree: They don’t have stand that much standing water So raccoons can’t eat things here. Yeah.

Liam: Yeah. They’re just not native to here.

Desiree: In Coquitlam, that I have raccoons underneath the street, the stairwell, the guy next door, big fat ones.

Suzanne: You have seen them. Yeah.

Desiree: A whole family, but we got lots of garbage and lots of water for them

Suzanne: For sure.

Liam: Oh Yeah.

They have thrived down there. Some animals just cannot be happier that humans are everywhere and raccoons are one of those.

Desiree: Yup.

Suzanne: Well, going back to my creative background. I mean, we were talking about the different large products projects that I start. I think my largest project I started with was, Han solo, which I built for my star wars theme where three years ago, I think we did

Desiree: Yup.

Liam: We liked that.

Suzanne: Three years ago. Yeah. I Recycled one of the, well actually the laundry room door. We just took it off the hinges and use that one.

Liam: Recycled.

Suzanne: We don’t need it. It’s always open.

Liam: You don’t need to the laundry room.

Suzanne: Now we got we can replace it with something else. So I use use some of dad’s old pants that he couldn’t fit into anymore or were too worn out. And some, my old slippers cut them in half. So it looked like feet.

And one of his old shirts that he didn’t wear anymore. And I actually bought Hon Solo his actual form of his face when he was reacting to being put in the car Carbonite that he was in or, yeah, the carbonate. Yeah. So I got that and I had to form his hands and I using some of the Halloween hands and I had, and, and built it from there.

I mean, with, clay and expanding foam and whatever else I could and a rib cage to make it look like he was buried and he was sucked into that carbonite, but yeah, that was my, and then I learned how to do the led lights, which I’m very proud of because I, I’m not mechanically inclined very much. I mean, I, I just went on YouTube and learn how to put my, led lights in a form that it looked like he was still alive.

Like the outside panel.

Liam: Saw the uh, the life monitor.

Suzanne: The life monitoring one. So it looks like he’s alive. I mean, I, I even tried to sell it and nobody would buy it and I was quite surprised what it must done. I dunno, whatever. So my brother put it in his man-cave and when he moves out here to Kamloops probably I’m going to get it back and I’m going to have to find it a good home.

Liam: It turned out really well. It like, it would have been very difficult to replicate that face. It was a good call to get the mask of Harrison Ford, like that set in the pose where he was entrapped in Carbonite that really does sell the whole thing. And you got a very accurate representation of his pose too, with everything else that you did with the body.

I do believe I’ll be putting those pictures into the link dump, but I’ve got them and you’ll be surprised just how really well done it was. And it was such a shame that there were so few people at your halloween party that year that had ever watched star wars.

Suzanne: I know it was like, oh my God.

Liam: Your, your friends have like, just never seen Star Wars.

Suzanne: I even built a death star. I built the death star.

Liam: Yeah. With a bunch of ships X wing as well. You built another, an X wing too. And a bunch of storm trooper masks and stuff like that. The, you had a whole battle scene going on on the ceiling and yeah, just

Desiree: We didn’t even have a Darth Vader

Liam: We had more people that recognized beetle juice when we had our beetle juice

Suzanne: Well we did beetlejuice four years ago.

Yeah, I did like the time that the time we had, the holy grail. We went with the medieval theme. that was a lot of fun. Cause we, we rented a whole barbecue in the back, so we could roast a whole pig

Liam: Yep.

Suzanne: We ate that pig for two years later, I said my frozen,

Desiree: Dad and Mike are trying to carve it while they’re drunk. This giant, hot roast pig,

Suzanne: That was so much fun. Yeah. And then dad was, you know, King Arther of course we had the holy grail, the holy hand grenade and the really bad, bad bunny, the bad white bunny that, that bites your head off. And Liam, you were the the black knight, you were a knight night with a BR with one arm missing.

Liam: Yeah, I think so.

Suzanne: Yeah, you were. I still, I’ve got your helmet in the, in the, in the shop. Yep. That was
a lot of fun.

Liam: That’s actually, that’s gotta be at least five years ago Yeah. We also, for that one, I think that was the one we built a

Desiree: Yes.

Suzanne: Yes

Liam: Yeah. And we were launching tennis balls with, that were wrapped with glowsticks so he could find them into the backyard.

Suzanne: Well, they wanted to throw up, I mean, pull lit up pumpkins. I said, I said, no, we’ll have to draw The line somewhere

Desiree: This is Kamloops. The whole place will burn to the ground.

Liam: The whole place would burn down. Yeah. Especially in our back 40 it’s just dry grass and that’s it. That’s all that’s back there.

Suzanne: Well, they had to, to re adjust the catapult a few times and eventually it was so tight that they broke

Liam: Yeah, I was I was in charge. I was in charge of the catapult it lasted throughout the majority of the party and it got to the, it got to the end before it basically snapped.

Desiree: Liam loves war machines. Like trebuchet and catapults. You were probably like happier than a pig in shit.

Liam: I’ve, made more miniature catapults than most people have in their lifetime.

Suzanne: Oh yeah, yeah. With my spoons and breaking them and stuff.

Liam: I, once had a science fair project. I believe it was for my grade eight science fair project, a grade nine, whatever science fair project that I made a miniature catapult with a wooden ladle as the arm. The mechanics behind catapults are actually very easy to understand and once you actually start working with it, it’s super easy to make a catapult.

And so my friend and I would make this thing and we had gravel outside in front of our road. So him and I would get on the porch in the back of the house and start lobbing gravel across the road at each other.

For a little bit. We did that once we wanted to have a test to make sure the thing worked.

But I, I brought that in as my science fair project and I was launching paper balls across the, the room, like the science room while I was doing it. That’s probably what brought my grade down to like a B minus or whatever for that project. It was because I was deliberately firing them at the teacher.

Suzanne: You remember your dad’s launcher, you made for Christmas for you, your hot wheels.

Liam: I do remember that the hot wheel launcher, that definitely had to be de powered considerably, because it was so strong that I, myself, as a kid at the time could not pull the arm back. It was made with the inner tubes of tires.

So, that thing could launch a hot wheel through a track, let alone down it, but

Suzanne: It went through a wall when dad tested the first time.

Liam: Yeah. And it wasn’t a drywall wall. It was a solid wood wall that it went through in his garage. He did tone it down and make it so I could barely as like a nine year old or whatever I was, uh, I could barely pull down that action

Desiree: Yeah. Was usually a two person.

Liam: Two person thing. You, You, you and me

I could do it for the first few launches, but then I need help after that my arms would get tired. Yeah. That thing was super powered.

Desiree: And then of course, mom and dad, made me my, my doll house. It was all made with actual housing things. So like actual wood flooring pieces, mom made furniture out of wood and stuffing and fabric. So it actually had, you know, some give to, it’s not like plastic type.

Liam: Yeah. And unlike all of the Barbie paraphernalia, that were sold in stores, it was actually to scale with barbie.

Suzanne: Yes.

Desiree: And not obscenely just pink. I was never really obsessed with just pink.

Suzanne: Well, neither was I, so Yeah. but we also had a double bed because you had dolls that you want to have a bed for. So dad built you a double

Desiree: Yeah. And like, you guys still have that out in your garden.

Suzanne: I do. Yeah. It’s in the backyard in my garden. Yah.

Liam: Yeah. You’ve always preferred bunk beds though. Now that you’re an adult, it’s probably a, too much of an effort to crawl into the top.

Desiree: Or fall out of it. Yeah.

Yeah.

Liam: That was always your preference. You had that bunk bed for ages all the way up to like your late teenage years.

Suzanne: Well, she had, yeah, her, her bed was above, above everything else. And then the downstairs in Burnaby, right. Your, your bed was the second level and you had all your other stuff under.

Liam: She had that raised a bunk bed way after I had already left the bottom.

Desiree: It just gives you that much more space underneath. That’s what I like.

Suzanne: Well, that’s, that’s a big project that right there that dad built. When you guys were little, he built a bunk bed with your, Minnie and Mickey mouse on the, you know, your headboards and stuff. That was the first thing that he built really big for you guys.

Liam: With very limited space and tools.

Suzanne: Exactly. We were in the basement suite. He had not much of any room and not much for tools at the time.

Desiree: And that one lasted still. I mean, we wound up giving it away. You said to another family.

Suzanne: We did. We did pass it on to another family.

Desiree: We moved it a lot to different places like, oh yeah, up And, down and uh, pull it apart, put it back together. All different rooms in the house too. We should have had to that with.

Suzanne: Yep. No, it was a beautiful bunk bed. Very sturdy that you definitely didn’t have to worry about that one Dad builds wood. Things are sturdy.

Liam: Absolutely. We’ve got cabinets in our kitchen that are going to outlast the rest of the house.

Suzanne:That will last me, I think.

Liam: Well, that’s guaranteed.

Suzanne: Yeah.

Liam: Yeah.

That’s something that we have a history of in this family is big projects. And we like to make stuff to last, even if it is for decoration, but especially if it has a practical purpose, it’s gotta be sturdy.

Desiree: And I still have reindeer that dad made pointsettas as in them, the back of the reindeer and just things that we’ve had for so many years, you don’t really think about it, but most people would buy something and it would be destroyed by then. Like it’s, there’s the craftsmanship that goes into the stuff that we make is really high.

Suzanne: Absolutely just like dad’s chair. So he makes it converts into a, a stool, right? That one that converts into a stool and then it goes back down and it’s an actual chair. So it’s very sturdy. I mean, I used it to climb up to, to find something at the upper upper level. Cause I’m not that tall. And I use it all the time.

Liam: Absolutely.

Desiree: So do we have anything, in closing for questions and stuff, guys, I think we’re getting pretty close to an hour.

Liam: Uh, no. I’m pretty happy that we managed to actually sit down again and have ourselves a little chat. It’s always nice to touch base with the two of you. And we never get the chance to talk about our projects and all of us here at the, in the family, we all take pride in our, in our work, whether it be, something that we’re getting paid for or something that we’re doing as a hobby, we all really take pride in the things that we make and the, the stuff that we put effort into and not all of that has, a creative project that we can point to and have people see the immediate results of our work, but anything that we do put effort into, we take pride in, and it’s great to be able to share that with others.

Desiree: Yeah,

We don’t always like, get to talk about it because we just make it and people are like, oh, you made that. And a lot of people aren’t like how or, why, or, you know it’s kind of nice.

Liam: Yeah, there are a lot of things that I paint that all put down on the table for my D and D guys it’ll get slaughtered in like an instant and we’ll be like, all right, well, okay. Well, you know, it goes back onto the shelf of the things that I’ve painted for the D and D campaign though. That individual piece may have taken me six to eight hours to paint.

Suzanne: Exactly. Yeah.

Desiree: So thanks. it’s nice to talk about it. And it’s nice to just keep track. I really appreciate being able to talk to you guys, you know, cause I can’t actually visit you right now, so that’s kind of nice too. So I’d like to say thank you to mom for being our extra, extra special guest host. Ha

Suzanne: Thank you very much. I’m so special.

Desiree: In conclusion, we’re on pod bean. We’re on YouTube. I’m going to be posting this one on our regular Wednesday, because we’ve already had one that was just posted. So this will be up on a Wednesday. It will go onto YouTube and pod bean. And, as usual Liam’s website is www.soloquest.ca.

And then if you go creative questions, so you can see all of the pictures, pictures dumped for this particular episode. And, you can look at this lore and any of the stories if you’d like on there regarding his game that he’s made.

Liam: Yeah, there’s some galleries miniatures as well, which I’m planning on expanding at some point.

Desiree: When he gets around to it.

Liam: Yeah, no hurry. I have no commitments. I promise nothing.

Suzanne: well, thank you for inviting me guys too, to be part of this podcast. So it was quite a lot of fun.

Desiree: Yeah, thank you very much. And it’s a lot less scary than your thought. Isn’t it?

Suzanne: Oh, it’s not scary. It’s the second time round.

Liam: and especially the second time around. Yeah,

Desiree: Yeah. and my social media presence is new New Nerd novelties on both Instagram and on Facebook. I am working on the website, 300 words of every single item and it will be up soon. I am told that if I get it all done, it might be up by December. So at least a not so complicated version will be up soon and that’s on newnerdnovelties.com And, that’s it for us today. Thank you so much for, listening. It’s been creative questions with Liam and Desiree Thank you so much and have a great day.

Liam: See you next time.

Desiree: Bye Bye